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		<title>Comment on forget art: Interview with Ma Yongfeng by Edward Sanderson&#8217;s Interview with Ma Yongfeng &#124; forget art</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Sanderson&#8217;s Interview with Ma Yongfeng &#124; forget art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 03:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Edward Sanderson&#8217;s Interview with Ma Yongfeng 20 八月 admin http://blog.escdotdot.com/2010/08/20/forget-art-interview-with-ma-yongfeng/ [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Alternatives: HomeShop by 家作坊 HomeShop &#187; Blog Archive &#187; from &#8220;我不知道 i don&#8217;t know&#8221; 的 intangible cultural activity in china</title>
		<link>http://blog.escdotdot.com/2010/06/19/alternatives-homeshop/comment-page-1/#comment-2450</link>
		<dc:creator>家作坊 HomeShop &#187; Blog Archive &#187; from &#8220;我不知道 i don&#8217;t know&#8221; 的 intangible cultural activity in china</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 19:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &gt;&gt; CPU:PRO&#8217;s Edward Sanderson recently came by and had a short discussion with some of us as part of his ongoing research into &#8220;alternative&#8221; art spaces in China. See the transcript of our talk here. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Notes on Alternatives in China by 家作坊 HomeShop &#187; Blog Archive &#187; from &#8220;我不知道 i don&#8217;t know&#8221; 的 intangible cultural activity in china</title>
		<link>http://blog.escdotdot.com/2010/04/28/notes-on-alternatives-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-2449</link>
		<dc:creator>家作坊 HomeShop &#187; Blog Archive &#187; from &#8220;我不知道 i don&#8217;t know&#8221; 的 intangible cultural activity in china</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 19:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Edward Sanderson recently came by and had a short discussion with some of us as part of his ongoing research into &#8220;alternative&#8221; art spaces in China. See the transcript of our talk here. &gt;&gt; After much delay, the latest issue of Public Journal [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Edward Sanderson recently came by and had a short discussion with some of us as part of his ongoing research into &#8220;alternative&#8221; art spaces in China. See the transcript of our talk here. &gt;&gt; After much delay, the latest issue of Public Journal [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rong Rong on Chinese photography by escdotdot</title>
		<link>http://blog.escdotdot.com/2010/06/06/rong-rong-on-chinese-photography/comment-page-1/#comment-2443</link>
		<dc:creator>escdotdot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 15:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, in the interview I don&#039;t think he makes any kind of value-judgement either way, it&#039;s just a comment on what he&#039;s seen from the entries to the competition. Taking his quote out of context, and adding my commentary was perhaps unhelpful.  
  
But I take your point(s). Hindsight is a great thing, and history is written by the winners, as they say.  
  
And you&#039;re right to suggest there is some kind of conceit here. There always is. The older generations are now in a position to take advantage of their success/longevity to allow us to reappraise their previous work, indeed their continued presence forces us to do so (if only to avoid being bored to death by the existing definitions).  
  
This has got me thinking about the CPU artist Zu Jing, who&#039;s work I once tried to reduce to &quot;young Chinese artist obsessing on her legs - therefore unable or unwilling to deal with larger issues - wow, it&#039;s like her whole generation&quot;. That says a lot about my ignorance of Chinese society and inability to see beyond the surface of her work or place it in a context - reductive nonsense. I did her a disservice with that line. I wonder if there is any way to think of narcissism as somehow socially engaged?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, in the interview I don&#039;t think he makes any kind of value-judgement either way, it&#039;s just a comment on what he&#039;s seen from the entries to the competition. Taking his quote out of context, and adding my commentary was perhaps unhelpful.  </p>
<p>But I take your point(s). Hindsight is a great thing, and history is written by the winners, as they say.  </p>
<p>And you&#039;re right to suggest there is some kind of conceit here. There always is. The older generations are now in a position to take advantage of their success/longevity to allow us to reappraise their previous work, indeed their continued presence forces us to do so (if only to avoid being bored to death by the existing definitions).  </p>
<p>This has got me thinking about the CPU artist Zu Jing, who&#039;s work I once tried to reduce to &quot;young Chinese artist obsessing on her legs &#8211; therefore unable or unwilling to deal with larger issues &#8211; wow, it&#039;s like her whole generation&quot;. That says a lot about my ignorance of Chinese society and inability to see beyond the surface of her work or place it in a context &#8211; reductive nonsense. I did her a disservice with that line. I wonder if there is any way to think of narcissism as somehow socially engaged?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rong Rong on Chinese photography by Robin Peckham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Peckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 14:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t buy it. Seems that the now-ensconced generation of artists is retroactively enforcing the social engagement of their work, while younger artists are rarely given due credit for subtle social or political strategies. This should apply most appropriately to photography: Bai Xiaoci and John Choy in the latter category, and perhaps Ai Weiwei and even Rong Rong himself in the former. Their snapshots have accumulated &quot;historical&quot; value in the past two decades, but initially they were just that. 
 
Likewise, I noticed in a recent essay on Li Shurui that Bao Dong wrote something to the effect of &quot;Chinese artists have never been interested in minimalism, pop art, or op art because of their lack of social significance.&#8220; Obviously this completely ignores the ideological formations that produce minimal and retinal art, but more so it also implies that Chinese artists are somehow uniquely and heroically interested in making &quot;socially engaged&quot; work, and that just seems absurd. Same kind of conceit at work  here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t buy it. Seems that the now-ensconced generation of artists is retroactively enforcing the social engagement of their work, while younger artists are rarely given due credit for subtle social or political strategies. This should apply most appropriately to photography: Bai Xiaoci and John Choy in the latter category, and perhaps Ai Weiwei and even Rong Rong himself in the former. Their snapshots have accumulated &quot;historical&quot; value in the past two decades, but initially they were just that. </p>
<p>Likewise, I noticed in a recent essay on Li Shurui that Bao Dong wrote something to the effect of &quot;Chinese artists have never been interested in minimalism, pop art, or op art because of their lack of social significance.&ldquo; Obviously this completely ignores the ideological formations that produce minimal and retinal art, but more so it also implies that Chinese artists are somehow uniquely and heroically interested in making &quot;socially engaged&quot; work, and that just seems absurd. Same kind of conceit at work  here?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Auto-generative and auto-destructive music by the &#8220;auto-&#8221; in creativity &#124; 不知道 i don&#39;t know</title>
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		<dc:creator>the &#8220;auto-&#8221; in creativity &#124; 不知道 i don&#39;t know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] i don&#039;t know art and china      &#171; Auto-generative and auto-destructive music    March 4th, [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Essay on artist Zheng Yunhan by Essay on Zheng Yunhan – short version &#124; 不知道 i don&#39;t know</title>
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		<dc:creator>Essay on Zheng Yunhan – short version &#124; 不知道 i don&#39;t know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 03:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] promised in my previous post about artist Zheng Yunhan, I have edited down the essay to a more manageable size. This version [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on embedded writing by escdotdot</title>
		<link>http://blog.escdotdot.com/2010/02/22/embedded-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-1587</link>
		<dc:creator>escdotdot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the original post was a bit of hand-wringing over my role here, and confusing it with that of a critic, which I am patently unable to be precisely because of my involvement in the consequences &#8211; the perception, as you say. Everyone can think critical thoughts, but the expression of those has to be carefully managed. To be fair this applies to everyone, it&#039;s a fact of life even, but it manifests itself in different ways depending on one&#039;s role in the equation. So I guess it&#039;s back to the drawing board with that super-critical exhibition review that led to this crisis of confidence! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the original post was a bit of hand-wringing over my role here, and confusing it with that of a critic, which I am patently unable to be precisely because of my involvement in the consequences &ndash; the perception, as you say. Everyone can think critical thoughts, but the expression of those has to be carefully managed. To be fair this applies to everyone, it&#39;s a fact of life even, but it manifests itself in different ways depending on one&#39;s role in the equation. So I guess it&#39;s back to the drawing board with that super-critical exhibition review that led to this crisis of confidence!</p>
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		<title>Comment on embedded writing by escdotdot</title>
		<link>http://blog.escdotdot.com/2010/02/22/embedded-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-1566</link>
		<dc:creator>escdotdot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>indeed! well I&#039;m really not saying anything earth-shattering here, it&#039;s something we all go through whenever we write something. I&#039;m just trying to articulate the positive aspects of it. I should just relax and say that history is the only arbiter that matters, but that or course is just as fallible in it&#039;s sanctions &#8211; but at least I&#039;ll be dead and won&#039;t care (one assumes). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>indeed! well I&#039;m really not saying anything earth-shattering here, it&#039;s something we all go through whenever we write something. I&#039;m just trying to articulate the positive aspects of it. I should just relax and say that history is the only arbiter that matters, but that or course is just as fallible in it&#039;s sanctions &ndash; but at least I&#039;ll be dead and won&#039;t care (one assumes).</p>
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		<title>Comment on embedded writing by Robin Peckham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Peckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Often more significant than how rigorously or critically you work through a piece of work or exhibition in your writing is how that angle is perceived. As a gallerist, a negative reaction to an exhibition by a gallerist or curator perceived as your competitor on some level will rarely be taken seriously, no matter how justifiable the position may be. On the other hand, a negative reaction to an artist in which you have a financial interest will probably be taken very seriously--but, well, then you&#039;re fucked. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Often more significant than how rigorously or critically you work through a piece of work or exhibition in your writing is how that angle is perceived. As a gallerist, a negative reaction to an exhibition by a gallerist or curator perceived as your competitor on some level will rarely be taken seriously, no matter how justifiable the position may be. On the other hand, a negative reaction to an artist in which you have a financial interest will probably be taken very seriously&#8211;but, well, then you&#39;re fucked.</p>
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